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design for the brain. book. author? pickering?

machine simulating the brain

later on machine used for psychiatric practice.


war: if you can set the dials in some specific position, the oher can adapt. who will adapt to whom in the configuration?

"treating a patient is imposing on the patient, it is therefore war"
lsd+strobe+hypnosis+electroshock=cure


then more people like bateson etc..

1960s..

two phases, second phase in london, taking over abandoned houses where doctor and patients would live 
together.

based on the fact that patoloy is a story where the doctor facilitates the story to develop, doctor adapt to the patient and viceversa.. patient either gets cured or attains a form of life where the behaviour is "normal" or funcional..


dealing with the unknown:

wiener's title cybernetics in the control of...

levinas developed an ethic based on dealing with the other. ythe only way to develop an ethic is in a conversation. from there develops an ethic of care.

when you encounter something you dont know, you try to remain in communication with it.


strange moments phased out. then machines that would seek their own purpose.. second generation cybernetics etc..


nowadays big data science is still based on the same assumption of calculating locations in the system to get and understanding of the whole system, design flows for in the end reaching ultra-stability.
to keep this stable position it is necessary to continously dig in the unknown.


do hackerspace practices move away from the normal relation to technology? and is there a diversion from the cybernetic aim of defending modernity?


pen testing for example starts from the assumption that there is something unknown, that is out of the model.


pickering talks about in-vivo experiments. 


rossecky?, greywater, who invented the tortoise.

they both had academic positions but they became famous instead with what they were doing at home, homeostat and tortoise, by recycling materials leftover frm ww2. apparently ignoring the link between the war and methodology.. while norbert wiener's cybernetics is developed during war to hit nazi airplanes by applying statistics to the future..